> Google SREs by last count were 1 engineer to 1000 machines
That number does not seem particularly impressive, if it is accurate. Even "traditional" well-run enterprise IT organizations are often in the 1 admin/SRE to 600-ish machines, so I have a hard time seeing that Google can only do ~2x as good at their scale and with their level of focus.
1 SRE to 5k machines, 10k machines, that makes more sense to me.
I don't know which kinds of enterprise orgs you're envisioning but when I think about "traditional" enterprise IT orgs, I'm picturing companies in healthcare, insurance, certain finance business units, non-profits, public sector, and defense, not any place ever mentioned a lot here on HN in a technical discussion. I've worked with a LOT of them and I'd be surprised if the ratio of ops engineers to servers was anything better than 1:10 as a ball-park number. Network guy, storage guy, DB guy, VM guy, automation guy, net-sec guy, system-sec guy... that's pretty typical for maybe a 20-server rollout and grows shy of sub-linearly with number of users (wild guess of O(n^1/2) ). If you mean specific to SRE-type of roles or auto-scaled groups in EC2 / GCE to count as servers perhaps that may be the case, but my idea of a traditional enterprise IT org is that it views automation with fear and hesitation preferring to add more people before trying to "disrupt" their business with automation tools and so will be stuck somewhere around 1:30 at best.
Admittedly, I probably have a bad impression of enterprise from consulting because who would pay for automation consulting at $$$ / hr when you do it pretty well with existing resources in the first place?
I think part of the difference is due to the fact that the business of administering healthcare, insurance, financials and other businesses are infinitely more complex than say, serving up search results or 140 character micro blog posts.
It seems much easier in my opinion to scale a single function (search or tweet) than the kinds of tasks that a healthcare company has to do like say...scanning faxes from doctors, applying OCR and properly placing them into a pharmacy order system.
having a ratio where you scale linearly is really not common in mega-scale web services since you have infrastructure services like borg / mesos / omega / autopilot / etc.
you can take a snapshot and say you are 1:n because today you have so many sre and so many machines, but it is very unlikely to be the same ratio down the road.
And goggle dont have to woory about the hard stuf in the same way that full on IBM sysplex thats running 20% of a coutrys bank acounts does. RBS COUGHCOUGH
the 1 admin to 600 machines quoted as the high end for traditional IT datacenter is, in my experience, a murky number. It's usually a ratio of people/virtual machines, not physical machines.
When you remove the VM smokescreen and count physical boxes it's more like 1 person/100 machines, which is abysmal. I've seen order-of-magnitude people efficiency increases with automation like we're discussing here.
That number does not seem particularly impressive, if it is accurate. Even "traditional" well-run enterprise IT organizations are often in the 1 admin/SRE to 600-ish machines, so I have a hard time seeing that Google can only do ~2x as good at their scale and with their level of focus.
1 SRE to 5k machines, 10k machines, that makes more sense to me.