Ooo we could go on forever. Let’s start with VS Code.

What we want to do is list features. For example, people prefer the GUI and the mouse, non-modal, batteries included.

It’s not a bad thing. It’s just been a while. Those editors were written for a time that don’t exist anymore.

That's my point. How did emacs influence this? Emacs is nothing like that. If anything, emacs has failed. Everything else is either proprietary or company/plugin based. And mouse based.

Imagine spending 8 hours a day for the rest of your life and you still want a cursor based popup telling you what you might or might not want to do instead of having muscle memory of what you do.

Emacs had a GUI and mouse support forever on Windows. It was “bloated and slow”.

Yeah the free software stuff didn’t work but that’s not all the editor wars were about.

I think we’re just missing each other here. The best features of eMacs spread to other editors.

As for the scenario, I don’t see that as a hellish situation. I’ve been using vim for a while. Im actually ok at it.

Do I regret learning it? Hell yeah. Lol. But at least I got vim mode to soothe the wound a little

> Emacs had a GUI and mouse support forever on Windows.

Emacs did not invent the mouse cursor interface.

> It was “bloated and slow”.

This comes from not understanding how emacs works. Yes, it has games, no, it is not loaded until you load it. It means nothing, it does not mean bloat.

> I think we’re just missing each other here. The best features of eMacs spread to other editors.

I think we might - it's Emacs not eMacs.

> As for the scenario, I don’t see that as a hellish situation. I’ve been using vim for a while. Im actually ok at it.

Great! I love vim. In fact I used it for 15 years before switching. I would not be using emacs as my everything if evil-mode was not a thing.

> Do I regret learning it? Hell yeah. Lol. But at least I got vim mode to soothe the wound a little

Sometimes I think the same thing.. Everytime there is no vi mode I get annoyed. I try to be open to new software, but cua-mode (or default emacs keys) is not it for me.

I get your first point. I’m saying it was the most popular so that’s why it’s ideas spread. I’m only thinking of eMacs and Vim cus the editor wars were so big.

In the 2nd point, I’m just saying what the popular complaints were. I wasn’t trying to prove them either way. Just what the battles were about. I wasn’t there so I’m thinking like an archeologist here.

I know about the misspelling of eMacs but I’m on my phone. I don’t mean anything with it. Just too lazy to fix it.

There’s good stuff in Vim and I like it but yeah not gonna die and say “well! Glad I learned vim!”.

Live and learn. I’m still thinking what band Vim would be