It's all biometric facial recognition and comes with the same problems. Quite frankly the face unlock on the Surface makes more sense than on a phone due to nature of the device. It's larger, more likely to be used at a desk while sitting that type of thing.

With my phone I want to unlock it without taking my eyes off the road so I can use voice recognition to map my destination or make a voice call. The absolute last thing I want to screw around with while driving is looking at my phone.

> It's all biometric facial recognition and comes with the same problems.

This isn't remotely close to being true. Face ID and Window Hello (I think that's what it's called?) are quite different, technically.

> Quite frankly the face unlock on the Surface makes more sense than on a phone due to nature of the device. It's larger, more likely to be used at a desk while sitting that type of thing.

Again, I urge you to actually use the thing rather than trying to come up with a mental model of why it's horrible because of your experience with the Surface.

> With my phone I want to unlock it without taking my eyes off the road so I can use voice recognition to map my destination or make a voice call.

1. You don't need to unlock your phone to do this.

2. You can disable the setting to require looking at your phone to unlock it.

1. In my case, yes I do. I run Amazon Music in my car with Apple CarPlay pretty much all the time. Amazon Music has some kind of bug when connected to CarPlay where it will often take over audio input and you cannot get around it without first unlocking the phone.

2. Not looking at the phone does not change that my face has to be within view of the phone. Honestly, this comment makes me wonder if you have used the Surface face recognition. You never have to look at it; it's actually pretty good, but it is still my personal preference to use a pin. Touch ID is more convenient than facial recognition IMHO.

To be clear, I never said it was horrible, I was stating that it is not an improvement FOR ME. I love the fingerprint reader. This whole topic is about Apple's sales declining. Quite frankly, I wouldn't have upgraded from the 7 to 8 series if my iPhone 7 hadn't broken. The 7 was "good enough". At this stage the "improvements" to the iPhone are incremental and not enough of an improvement to be worth the cost of upgrading; clearly, others agree with me or iPhone sales wouldn't be on the decline.

RE #2 IME disabling the “require attention” setting just reduces the degree to which you have to obstruct your vision. You’re still obstructing your vision much more and for longer than with fingerprint unlock.

“Hey Siri, directions to the nearest Trader Joe’s.” Done. How are you mapping destinations without looking at the phone? If you are using voice, you don’t need touchId. If you aren’t using voice, then you are obviously looking at the phone. I doubt you are one handed touch typing on a phone in a moving car.