I'm inclined to agree that such a mini-brain at this stage is most-likely non-conscious and incapable of suffering, but how would we know?
Organisms with far "simpler" brains than ours appear to be capable of suffering. I'm unaware of the extent to which human embryonic brain development follows expected principles of evolutionary developmental biology, but if that holds, a sufficiently developed brain should at least be given equal ethical consideration as an animal. Vertebrates are commonly born with a capacity for suffering, so I question how much external input is required. If the necessary brain structures are there, those same structures should suffice for achieving brain-states equivalent to percepts of suffering.
Looks to me like we're not quite there yet, as these cerebral organoids are pretty darn small and comparatively disorganized, but it's only a matter of time before the ethical questions need be faced.
Maybe I used a very bad and distracting (and political) example. "Suffering" wasn't really something I was trying to talk about, here. (To be clear, pain is a matter of instinct, which is to say, a predefined brain structure that "works" from birth—and maybe before-hand—whenever it shows up.) Rather, I was specifically talking about this thing we call "thinking." The thing that humans do when they're awake and lucid, and don't do when they're asleep/unconscious/in a dissociative fugue. The thing that the courts care about as mens rea.
Many higher-level vertebrates develop some capacity for "thinking"—that is, for planning/strategizing, puzzle-solving, learning and synthesizing information, forming concepts and abstractions, overriding instincts with beliefs based on evidence, etc. Humans and all other primates do this; as do crows and their relatives; as do dolphins; etc.
But none of these animals start with that ability from birth. "Thinking" has never been observed as behavior available instinctually to any animal. A newborn crow or gorilla, despite being rather self-sufficient with a library of instinctual responses, won't be able to solve the puzzles that we get the adults of those species to solve and which we cite as proof of their intelligence. They grow that ability from months/years of life experience.
In fact, almost by definition, "thinking" is something you have to build: it's a big conceptual hierarchy with sensory data at its base. And—as far as we know—instinct can't pre-bake the needed raw sensory data into brains. (It can bake in higher-level associations, like scent- or pattern-associations for predator avoidance. But it doesn't include these in low-level "raw" terms where a brain can derive any of its own interpretations or abstractions from them.)
Without accumulated experience, a brain is still experiencing the world, and reacting to the world, and experiencing reward signals from the world—like most animals do—but is not yet thinking about the world. Thinking is a matter of updating beliefs about schemas/models/concepts; and those things only exist when derived from sense-data "evidence."
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I recently had a discussion concerning animal sentience and was having trouble articulating my thoughts. You have managed to concisely convey "thought" in an eloquent fashion.
Organisms with far "simpler" brains than ours appear to be capable of suffering. I'm unaware of the extent to which human embryonic brain development follows expected principles of evolutionary developmental biology, but if that holds, a sufficiently developed brain should at least be given equal ethical consideration as an animal. Vertebrates are commonly born with a capacity for suffering, so I question how much external input is required. If the necessary brain structures are there, those same structures should suffice for achieving brain-states equivalent to percepts of suffering.
Looks to me like we're not quite there yet, as these cerebral organoids are pretty darn small and comparatively disorganized, but it's only a matter of time before the ethical questions need be faced.
With a little searching, I found similar views from neuroskeptic. http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/neuroskeptic/2013/09/02/th...